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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 14:53:48 GMT 1
omfg chicken grill(tm) is making another theory
someone call de cops n arrest dat fag pl0x
We all know Need for Speed: ProStreet.
hurr duh obviously were not fkin morons
But what you may not know is when does the game take place.
In this thread, I will disprove one theory:
Ryan Cooper = Character from Most Wanted & Carbon
Now, everyone who watched Most Wanted in his "earlier" days, know of this little Easter Egg in ProStreet:
"So? What about it?"
Well, the player drove off with the Supra in the start of Carbon, which seemingly takes place before Most Wanted (2005) (the Carbon cutscene flashback).
If I am not mistaken, and if that truly is Darius' Supra, then this would suggest that ProStreet takes place immediately (or a bit later) after the race in Palmont, which the player escaped with Darius' Supra.
The player could've bought the BMW in the ProStreet car dealer (since the E46 M3, Rollcage, proper Bodykit & Spoilers are all available; also considering the M3 GTR is race tuned & ProStreet is all about legal racing, it's also likely) and then drove off to Rockport, while the Supra remains parked & abandoned near the Super Promotion tent.
So lemme give you a chronological order on how the MW, Carbon & ProStreet games take place
First off we have Need for Speed: Carbon, with its flashback cutscene of the Player vs. Kenji, Angie & Wolf, and then the player escaping Palmont City with the Supra.
Then, we have Need for Speed: ProStreet. The Super Promotion guy mentions the little blue car with the keys left in it, that has the License Plate "NFS CARBN", which possibly suggests Darius' Missing Blue Supra.
After the player leaves his Supra there, he moves on to Rockport, a.k.a. - Need for Speed: Most Wanted.
And then you know, the player jumps over a bridge with his BMW and escapes to Palmont.
Lastly, we have Need for Speed: Carbon, where Cross tails the player with the BMW.
So basically, it's Carbon (Flashback) -> ProStreet + Most Wanted (possibly take place at the same time) -> Carbon (After Flashback).
This should also disprove the theory of Ryan Cooper being the player.
What do ya think?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 15:04:06 GMT 1
What about the newer cars?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 15:06:28 GMT 1
OMFG I KNOW IT ALL NOW!
PROSTRIIT IS MISTERI CITI!!!
Can't argue with it, all makes sense.
Great job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 15:14:05 GMT 1
What about the newer cars? That one is out of the questions, since some brands of cars did not exist when these games were being made. So we do not question something like that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 16:32:22 GMT 1
The 'Super Promotion' guy is the DJ who's moderating thru the entire championship of th career - parked right in front of the super promotion tent, good deal, now you gotta move it.
In other words you wanna say, the player left Palmont, drove to the Super Promotion, parked the car and bought a BMW M3 and customized it to a GTR.
Okay, its a tricky situation made by the devs...is it just an easter egg or the truth to the story, the car dealer of Pro Street doesn't stand for public interests, means the car dealer is most likley only available to the pro racers.The player also had no cash to buy a thing - he had to be a racer (not Ryan, but a someone else) to be able to buy and build the BMW race car UNLESS he stole it BUT, however, the Street version still misses serveral things below.
- There's no fire extinguisher, instead there's a seat, two/four in total.
- There're no air pipes for interior A/C
- There're no GTR rims
- There's no Body Kit that moves the exhaust tip to the side, it remains on the rear, evne if you choose the GTR kit.
- There's no GTR spoiler.
This would set back Pro Street back between 2001 and 2005, which is definitely weird - license plates says '07.
Which Super Promotion event is it? In what city.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 3:18:44 GMT 1
1 Word: WRONG
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 5:28:45 GMT 1
This is a little off topic, but I may just have a solution to the timeline. Sure it doesn't conform with the years of the cars used in any of them but as far as story lines go it makes sense, the only gap is between NFSU2 and Carbon's prequel ( I'll explain here in a second. ) Underground ( Olympic City ) is where the racer first starts out, and then after recuperating he flies over to Bayview. After Bayview, we have no exact idea what the player does, but someone pointed out, the guy in the 300C in Carbon's prequel looks alot like Caleb, the antagonist from U2. The reason he looks a little different is because NFSU2's cutscenes are set up like comic strips, not actual movie scenes, lowering the detail slightly. We know Caleb does business for someone, and if my theory is correct, that someone is Darius. He set up the race and used the player. Now the problem is, according to my theory, the timeline isn't 100% correct, and that's the major flaw here. The Wiki page says that Nikki is 19 when the player leaves town and 24 when he comes back, but I doubt it took 5 years to get to the top of the blacklist in Most Wanted. But you see where I'm going with this, right? After racing for 2 years, that explains why the player is so good in Carbon's intro, and it also explains why he was a noob in Underground, instead of traveling to Olympic City from Palmont, which makes sense until you compare the racing skills. Pro street on the other hand has nothing to do with any of the previous NFS's, although there are carbon easter eggs here and there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 5:53:57 GMT 1
The CE reveals its 5 years and he couldn't been anywhere else before, because the CE reveals in Nikki's bio that player was her first true love, I take that they both were 19 or the player not that much older, they probably went both to HS etc., however, 5 years of dispearance doesn't mean the player was street racing for 5 years, he also didn't head straight to Rockport and the return to Palmont took months if not even a year, because Cross was living in Palmont before the Player arrived and his dread locks reveal it definitely needs serveral months to have such long hair for dread locks.
The player's target was unknown for himself, he probably drove around and did different things for awhile, until he some day arrived in Rockport, probably on travel thru, not for a stay, but the happenings force him to stay.
I don't think that guy is Caleb, just because he has no hair, super, maybe it was Razor? Haha...it's a COP a not some officer, its a damn sergeant or higher! Second, the guy seems to be black or spents good time in the sun.
Also the business of Caleb had to do with he feared the player could be a danger for him in the racing scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 7:49:13 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 7:57:10 GMT 1
The 'Super Promotion' guy is the DJ who's moderating thru the entire championship of th career - parked right in front of the super promotion tent, good deal, now you gotta move it.In other words you wanna say, the player left Palmont, drove to the Super Promotion, parked the car and bought a BMW M3 and customized it to a GTR. Okay, its a tricky situation made by the devs...is it just an easter egg or the truth to the story, the car dealer of Pro Street doesn't stand for public interests, means the car dealer is most likley only available to the pro racers.The player also had no cash to buy a thing - he had to be a racer (not Ryan, but a someone else) to be able to buy and build the BMW race car UNLESS he stole it BUT, however, the Street version still misses serveral things below. - There's no fire extinguisher, instead there's a seat, two/four in total. - There're no air pipes for interior A/C - There're no GTR rims - There's no Body Kit that moves the exhaust tip to the side, it remains on the rear, evne if you choose the GTR kit. - There's no GTR spoiler. This would set back Pro Street back between 2001 and 2005, which is definitely weird - license plates says '07. Which Super Promotion event is it? In what city. It was never mentioned that the ProStreet car lot was available only to racers. Anyone is free to use it. Now even though the body kit is wrong, take note that in real life, it's not as hard as it sounds for mechanics to remove exhaust tips from the rear & attach new ones to the side. It's been done for race-tuned cars quite a number of times. About the seats, he could've easily removed them & tossed them aside. Spoiler? Probably made a custom spoiler for the M3 About the license plates, the reason it says '07 is because it's referring to the year ProStreet was released in. Car models? This can be simply explained as the car models did not exist when these games were being produced. But remember - Underground, Underground 2, Most Wanted, Carbon, ProStreet, Undercover, The Run, Most Wanted 2012 & Rivals all exist in the same universe. So, all the cars that exist in Rivals theoretically exist(ed) in Underground as well. It can be possible that the real timeline is somewhere between 2005-2013, & it can be possible that Most Wanted & ProStreet take place in 2007, or any of those years. Hell, those 2 games can even exist in 2005. That is what I call a paradox right there. We can only guess what year the games take place in. But the fact is - ProStreet & Most Wanted probably take place at the same time (I never did mention that they do actually take place at the same time, but I said probably, meaning I could be wrong) Also, the player from the Underground series is not the player in Most Wanted & Carbon, when will you guys realize it? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 9:32:10 GMT 1
I know that the player from U-Series is not the character in MW and Carbon.
Since it's an official racing organization it's highly possible that the cars are only available for the drivers.However, even if its a open car dealer the player has no money to buy e.g. the BMW M3 GTR Street and then customize it to the race car and I mean removing all seats, add an fire extinguisher, add one racing seat, air cooling pipes for interior A/C, GTR Racing body kit, ALMS racing spoiler etc.
Yes, its not a big deal to change exhaust pipes, but in fact this M3 from MW/C is the 1:1 copy of the race car, exterior and interior.
Yes, it refer to the release year, but who says it doesn't also stands for the actual year.
If Pro Street's has a legit relation, then he most likely stole that car from someone...
However, its not sure if this DJ talk is a truth to the story of the player, or if the devs just made a fun of it, without it really being accurate, but just work as a reminder/special.
What? Since then are those games in the same universe? The Run, MW, Rivals? Or what do you mean with same universe.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 9:34:20 GMT 1
What? Since then are those games in the same universe? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 9:36:32 GMT 1
If Pro Street's has a legit relation, then he most likely stole that car from someone... That's possible as well. We can talk about all day on how the player got the BMW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 12:08:16 GMT 1
I have one possible theory about this. After the player left Palmont he went to the ProStreet world. Remember the money bag from Palmont, after the race? Nikki said that it's been switched. Now we got a small glimpse of the other money bag the one Nikki gave the player. Looks like a bunch of papers to me. No sign of cash.
Probably after this he went to ProStreet world using Darius' Supra until he got enough cash to buy GTR. Then after that he just left that Supra alone with the keys inside.
My cousin created the EXACT copy of the GTR except of the body. I've been thinking that the player customized that GTR before going to Rockport.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 12:57:34 GMT 1
Do you mean in real life or the game? Because in Pro Street you can't make an exact copy, you can't add air pipes in the interior, you can't remove seats, only change the driver seat, you can't add fire extinguisher etc...
My question is, is Pro Street related to the story because of the easter egg or is it just the devs had fun to add a relation to the Carbon game itself without actual meaning.
Because it doesn't really make sense (Although its not impossible, tho it sure is a last minute how to fix the supra loss and maybe BMW rise in the story rather than really being planned) it looks like the devs just had a funny idea in the sound studio.
However, if this is legit and is meant for as a story fix, it was probably the opportunity they saw in Pro Street to kinda explain how the BMW race version came along...
Sadly, no one asked this in the Ask Marc episodes...
The player most likely grew up in Palmont, dated and fell in love with Nikki, he was her first true love but then one night in 2001 he had to escape, 4 years later he appears in Rockport and challenges the Blacklist 15 after earning enough rep, but he loses due to a cheating rival - he says for revenge to get back his car, takes down the Blacklist one by one and after final race the cops bust the Blacklist the player escapes, with the cops knowing his safehouses, they took all the Blacklist cars he won.He leaves the city...months (or years) later he's on his way to Palmont.Suddenly, Cross appears who's been living in Palmont for a long time as a bountyhunter, a battle of revenge causes the player to crash his car...he's back and wanna find out the truth from back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:46:08 GMT 1
Why my posts are into one when written seperated?
About the universes.
I actually sort of understood what he actually means, that those titles exist in the same timeline where also the other cities exist and the happenings in those cities happened after the happenings in the older titles.
However, I think there's a tiny mistake in this universe scenery, I don't know how new this video is, but random references don't make it automatically being set in the same world, where all the cities exist in the US.
Olympic City, Bayview, Rockport, Palmont, Tri-City Bay, Seacrest County, Redview County and Fairhaven don't exist in the real life - meaning they wouldn't exist in the world of Pro Street which is taken place in real world locations.Okay, I have to add it obviously can be imagined that the places would exist in the US where they are located virtually - they are fictional but located in the US and that's the interruption - those fictional cities (which are heavily based on serveral US cities) collide with the ''real world'' [of Pro Street and the US]
I'd cover the universe thing that way of all NFS
Gen-Universe
1st Gen: NFS I - NFS VI
2nd Gen: NFS U - NFS C
3rd Gen: NFS PS - NFS UC
4th Gen: Shift, Shift 2 Unleashed
5th Gen: HP, The Run, MW, Rivals
Story-Universe
1st Underground, Underground 2
2nd Most Wanted, Carbon
3rd Pro Street
4th Undercover
5th The Run
6th Rivals
Fictional Universe:
1 Underground, Underground 2
2 Most Wanted, Carbon
3 Undercover
4 Hot Pursuit, Most Wanted, Rivals
Real World Universe:
1 NFS Pro Street
2 Shift
3 Shift 2 Unleashed
4 The Run
Present-Universe* (represents Story Universe)
1 Underground, Underground 2
2 Most Wanted, Carbon
3...
4...
5...
Every other universe is represented by each single game only without relation to other titles 'world'.
So, I think in a fictional universe of the real world, NFS Underground to Carbon may exist in the same world, in the US, maybe, but the happenings are totally unrelated to each other (except the one's who obviously connect a story with each other.
Otherwise, Underground-Series has its own universe, MW and Carbon have their own universe, Pro Street has its own universe, Undercover has its own universe.
I think the jargon is parallel universes, however, only if those events from the seperate universes ever existed in the other universe you are currently in.Like, if Universe 1,3,4 events happened in the parallel universes of Universe 2.
Or if there's only one universe (or two) did the story that happened in e.g. Underground and Underground 2 happened in the universe of Undercover [or Most Wanted, Carbon, Pro Street etc]? - meaning [if] they exist in the same world [universe], [did] all those events happened in the same 'world' but seperated from each other - like I'm having a pool party and someone jumps of the roof into the pool or rides on his bike into it and 1000 miles away - totally unrelated to my events - someone's surfing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:53:56 GMT 1
Why not Underground -> Underground 2 -> Carbon (Flashback) -> ProStreet + Most Wanted (possibly take place at the same time) -> Unknown (since the player didn't go direct to Palmont City after escape from Rockport) -> Carbon (After Flashback)?
A friend told me that through steam (not exactly like that) and I thought, why not?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:03:21 GMT 1
Because Nikki was just 19 in Carbon (flashback) and the player was her first true love, I assume the player is at the same age or not much older and [probably] they grew up together or at least both in Palmont.I don't think the player was street racing with 16 and traveling the country.
Also, the beginning of Undergroud 2 reveals voiced by Samantha that Melissa is his girlfriend after he defeated both, he probably impressed Melissa as the final cut scene also shows (Sam says: you took out Eddie, scored the babe)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:19:13 GMT 1
Because Nikki was just 19 in Carbon (flashback) and the player was her first true love, I assume the player is at the same age or not much older and [probably] they grew up together or at least both in Palmont.I don't think the player was street racing with 16 and traveling the country. Also, the beginning of Undergroud 2 reveals voiced by Samantha that Melissa is his girlfriend after he defeated both, he probably impressed Melissa as the final cut scene also shows (Sam says: you took out Eddie, scored the babe) Well, as you said, the player probably is not much older, but I doubt grew up together. Because, why for be the "true love" they should have grown up together? That doesn't make sense for me. About the Melissa, he could simple leave her, since, she is just girlfriend because the player impressed her (according to you). Although I'm not sure because I need to see all cutscenes from U1 & U2 with legends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:32:48 GMT 1
Because Nikki was just 19 in Carbon (flashback) and the player was her first true love, I assume the player is at the same age or not much older and [probably] they grew up together or at least both in Palmont.I don't think the player was street racing with 16 and traveling the country. Also, the beginning of Undergroud 2 reveals voiced by Samantha that Melissa is his girlfriend after he defeated both, he probably impressed Melissa as the final cut scene also shows (Sam says: you took out Eddie, scored the babe) Well, as you said, the player probably is not much older, but I doubt grew up together. Because, why for be the "true love" they should have grown up together? That doesn't make sense for me. About the Melissa, he could simple leave her, since, she is just girlfriend because the player impressed her (according to you). Although I'm not sure because I need to see all cutscenes from U1 & U2 with legends. I didn't say that's the reason why they grew up together, however...the player most likely comes from Palmont and he wasn't there for just few weeks, I mean they are at High School age and since he was her first true love, they probably knew each other for a longer time, because he sure wasn't traveling the country all alone with 17 or so - if he was the character in Underground and Underground 2, faced the underground racing scene, sponsors and was racing with much older guys, like Caleb is definitely between 25 and 35+. I believe, the player grew up with Nikki (at least from a certain age) and while growing up they were racing which would explain the player's skills...in Nikki's bio it says she was racing in her teenage times (have to watch this again) About Melissa, in the beginning she seems to notice the player and kinda look interested (but also the player seems to be interested in her, due to camera moves), but after he beats up everything, he scored her - it's common that the key to a girl is to impress her, by whatever case it is, be it the way you dress, you act, you look, your success, your activities, your moves or type or all together - be it in the one second she sees you or building up to a love over time - you impress with something. However, the player is [would be] too young to be in Underground and Underground 2, this would also place both games before 2001. |
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