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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2014 12:52:58 GMT 1
I didn't say we can't speculate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 6:32:27 GMT 1
At the start of Most Wanted, Rog (the guy that later runs the garage), makes a comment about what what the "underground" racer can do in the daytime, so it makes sense that Most Wanted follows Underground 2 Rog doesnt run any garage, he just arrange duels with BL If I remember correctly, Rog is the guy that supplies the ultimate parts from the back part of the garage. Back to my previous posts, the storyline from U1 to U2 to Most Wanted is OK, even to when the player returns to Palmont in the BMW from Most Wanted. The conflict is with Carbon's intro "prequel", where the player is already a good racer, but the Prima guide and collector's editions place the time of the "prequel" to "5 years before" (2001), which would be 2 years before Underground 1 was released. Then there's the issue of what car(s) the player has. U2's intro implies that the player completes U1 with the Skyline. After U2, the player can have a collection of 5 cars, but the Carbon prequel could still be after this, assuming that the Supra was either a better car, or that the cars that the player had from U2 would not be allowed in that Carbon prequel race. So the time line makes more sense if it's U1 (2003), U2 (2004), Carbon prequel, Most Wanted (2005), Carbon present day (2006). After that the player could have sold some or all of his cars in order to buy the BMW M3 GTR. Note that BMW made 10 "street" versions of the GTR in 2001 to comply with the American Lemans Series rule, since the Lemans cars were using V8 engines not available in the regular BMW M3 E46.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 7:05:00 GMT 1
Simply, there's no conflict between U-Series and Carbon if you (or anyone else) would NOT try to place U and U2 into this.The issue is placed by pushin Underground into this, not by Carbon.
It doesn't matter how many cars the player would have, aside that the amount of cars has no affect on the storyline, but to give the player more variety unlike Underground, which only allowed one car, but always tradeable for nearly nothing and even refunds.The thing is, the BMW M3 GTR which the player Owns in NFS isn't the Street version, the player has the actual race car with only one seat, air pipes for cooling, roll bar and a fire extinguisher.
So, the game sets the prequel to 5 years back, 2001 and he returns 2006 and realized that everything changed.The Carbon CE reveals that the player was Nikki's first truth love, this tells us that the player grew up in Palmont, and couldn't be in U or U2.
(I could've said he and Nikki went to college and met there but came from different towns or the same town, or Palmont still) But the CE reveals that Nikki grew up in Palmont.
And the ending of Underground 2 has no hints for a sequel, its ends with the party and U2 trailer.
I really think it is the way it is, Underground and Underground 2 tell the story of a different character than in MW and Carbon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 7:15:43 GMT 1
I'm not sure what to think on this. I think EA just didn't think the prequel through very well. The problem is, the racer is relatively good in the carbon prequel but in underground they either A, underestimate him, or B, he's just not experienced. I have another thought aswell, maybe the racer just wanted to prove he was good enough for the palmont race scene, and during that he had to run away to Olympic city probably ditching the car on the way. He didn't have any experience in racing in either city
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 11:37:23 GMT 1
Rog doesnt run any garage, he just arrange duels with BL  If I remember correctly, Rog is the guy that supplies the ultimate parts from the back part of the garage. Back to my previous posts, the storyline from U1 to U2 to Most Wanted is OK, even to when the player returns to Palmont in the BMW from Most Wanted. The conflict is with Carbon's intro "prequel", where the player is already a good racer, but the Prima guide and collector's editions place the time of the "prequel" to "5 years before" (2001), which would be 2 years before Underground 1 was released. Then there's the issue of what car(s) the player has. U2's intro implies that the player completes U1 with the Skyline. After U2, the player can have a collection of 5 cars, but the Carbon prequel could still be after this, assuming that the Supra was either a better car, or that the cars that the player had from U2 would not be allowed in that Carbon prequel race. So the time line makes more sense if it's U1 (2003), U2 (2004), Carbon prequel, Most Wanted (2005), Carbon present day (2006). After that the player could have sold some or all of his cars in order to buy the BMW M3 GTR. Note that BMW made 10 "street" versions of the GTR in 2001 to comply with the American Lemans Series rule, since the Lemans cars were using V8 engines not available in the regular BMW M3 E46. I know everything about GTR and no, its not in any case strert running version (bot often drive it). Why? Itspure race spec, v8 from race spec, gear box from race spec (this whining in engine sound is it), full body from race spec, exhaust from race spec. It is definetely true LeMans GTR. Probably stolen from BMW's Museum
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 12:08:31 GMT 1
How he could achieve it?
1. Stole it from the BMW Museum, however, if its only in germany, I don't think he could have chances to ship it to the US, cause stolen and or he would be with a mafia which planned it...doubtful at his age back then. 2. Was a Le mans racer (or similar) between 2001 and 2005... 3. He just had it, devs choose it without it getting a meaning of how he got it. 4.He took a street bmw and modified it to the exact race car, tho, I don't think he would have modified the interior as well, cause what if he wants to take a girl with? No seats...overall the interior adjustment wouldn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 20:14:53 GMT 1
Simply, there's no conflict between U-Series and Carbon if you (or anyone else) would NOT try to place U and U2 into this.The issue is placed by pushin Underground into this, not by Carbon. So, the game sets the prequel to 5 years back, 2001 and he returns 2006 and realized that everything changed.The Carbon CE reveals that the player was Nikki's first truth love, this tells us that the player grew up in Palmont, and couldn't be in U or U2. And the ending of Underground 2 has no hints for a sequel, its ends with the party and U2 trailer. The conflict between Carbon and U1, U2 didn't exist until Carbon was made, and it's only Carbon's stating that the prequel happened 5 years before that creates a conflict. Before that, U1, U2, and Most Wanted worked as a continuning storyline, although it's mosly Rog's comment about "underground and daytime" that connects U2 with Most Wanted. Not that the storyline is all that great either. U1 and U2 - sponsors pay for illegal night time street races? MW - the black list was only exposed when the player defeated them in races? Carbon - crew territories were won by winning races? The Prima Guide interview with Marc DeVellis mentions a sequel to Hot Pursuit 2, and an Underground 3. I doubt that they were thinking of Hot Pursuit 2010 version at the time Marc made the comment, so the project may have been abandoned and restarted. Most Wanted and Carbon continued the illegal street racing theme. ProStreet broke the trend with legal track races, then in Undercover, the player is working with the police (also Ryan Cooper from ProStreet is heard getting arrested in the police chatter in Undercover). As for the BMW E46 M3 GTR, BMW ceased racing it in the (American) Lemans series after 2001, although private teams continued to race it, so there was a supply of the race version available sold to private teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 3:27:46 GMT 1
As far as I know the BMW was used until 2003 and past that dunno...still it was a race car which couldn't be bought from a random.
But who says that U, U2 are meant to be with Most Wanted? There's no conflict unless you try to place Underground and Carbon together.. I look at the facts which sets U and U2 to have one story with their own characters and MW and Carbon have their own story with different characters without any relation to Underground-Series.In fact, Carbon prequel is set 5 years back, 2001 - I don't think the devs messed it up if they were supposed to be one lifeline, but they're not, that's why it doesn't work when you try to place U, U2, MW and Carbon in one lifeline.
The cop chatter with ryan cooper is just an easter egg, just like the mentions of Bayview in MW, easter eggs...
Carbon isn't making a conflict, it most likely answers MW and Carbon tell their own story with characters unrelated to Underground.
Oh and in Undercover, the player isnt working 'with' the police, the player is the police, to be exact an top FBI Undercover agent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 22:19:11 GMT 1
As far as I know the BMW was used until 2003 and past that dunno...still it was a race car which couldn't be bought from a random. But who says that U, U2 are meant to be with Most Wanted? Oh and in Undercover, the player isnt working 'with' the police, the player is the police, to be exact an top FBI Undercover agent. BMW stopped racing that car in 2002, but private racing groups obtained and continue to use the car. Wiki link: wiki bmw m3 e46 gtrThe U1, U2 storyline does not have to be connected to the MW and Carbon storyline, but in MW, Rog does mention "undergroud" during the intro sequence, but that doesn't mean U1 and U2 have the only "underground" races. However, the two storylines could be connected, even with the 5 year delay. Maybe the player was unfamiliar with the tuner scene as shown in U1, but familiar with illegal street racing, and maybe the player gave the Supra back to Darius before U1. In U1, and U2, even though it doesn't make much sense, sponsors are putting up the cash rewards. In Most Wanted, and Carbon, the source of the cash for completing evens isn't explained, it's just part of the career mode. The source of the cash for Carbon's prequel race isn't explained either, or the fact that everything had to go to plan no matter how unlikely that was, in order for the bag of cash to get swapped and with no one noticing the second bag or the switch. Undercover - what I meant was the player was chosen for a specific assignment by the FBI. It's not explained what the players normal job was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 22:33:18 GMT 1
Yes he says underground, but this is a word not a name...it can relate to Underground-Series, but more likley as an easter egg or reminder or simply its a prank on the player in the meaning of calling him a wannabe racer who suddenly appears from nowhere to the racing scene to get up...its a down rating on the player like he's a piece of sh...that's like he says what did the underground poop here.
No, he couldn't give back the supra, he was gone for 5 years from Palmont and none of the characters has seen him they also still think he stole the money.
There are no Sponsors in U1... In Underground 2 the racing seems to be between illegal and legal...there are track races of URL which are actually sponsored and then there are races on the street.Tho, its clear the racing scene in Bayview isn't just bad boys that do illegal races, its more organized as Rachel even has an office.
Pretty sure, the cash comes from the drivers in MW and Carbon, in the beginning of MW Mia and Razor argue about the bet for the race against Bull...
In Carbon, Darius paid the cops who to bust and who to let escape, it was a Sergeant that opened the alley for the player.The cops had the purpose to distract everyone, so switching bags wasnt the problem, it was just about timing, in fact I doubt anyone would think about the bar in that moment...tho Im not sure which crew member it was but someone saw the switch, Samson?
No, listen...in Undercover the player is and always was an Undercover agent!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 22:53:29 GMT 1
The guy that was in TFK saw the bag switch. Colin?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 20:41:36 GMT 1
No, he couldn't give back the supra, he was gone for 5 years from Palmont and none of the characters has seen him they also still think he stole the money. There are no Sponsors in U1... In Carbon, Darius paid the cops who to bust and who to let escape No, listen...in Undercover the player is and always was an Undercover agent! At the end of Carbon's prequel, Darius is the only one to see the player and tells the player to leave town with that car. Since there was nothing to hide from Darius, the player could have returned (or shipped) the Supra back to Darius once out of town. Also how much was that Supra worth, and how many cops and how much money did it take to bribe all those cops versus what was supposed to be the cash prize money in that bag? Seems it would have been simpler to have stolen the bag before the race, but then there's no story. The sponsors in U1 are implied in the intro to U2. Caleb is angry that the player is getting most of the sponsor money while both are still in Olympic City. It's not explained why Caleb also goes to Bayview, considering he was in Olympic City, and the player is now gone. I only meant that in Undercover, the player was chosen for that specific assignment. It's not clear what type of work the player did before the Undercover storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 21:19:47 GMT 1
You like to turn things around lol
Darius don't see the player, at least there's no scene so I believe that he just called him cause we only hear him.
There's was more than just money, aside it was a bag of money, it was definitely between 100,000 and a million.Darius probably saw that the player could be dangerous for him, he wanted the city for his own and had to takedown the other drivers and make sure the player will be gone, and that everyone hates the player - Nikki threw the bag into the players car, so everyone thought the player took the money and escaped, while the player never had the money.
The player escaped and didn't think about coming back, Darius told him to escape thru the canyons, he didn't say hide and return the car...
Maybe, because Caleb is originally from Bayview...he was back in Bayview before the player and was theking in the racing scene there until the player took his crown.
As said he was a cop, he did cop things I guess...also after re-watching the intro of UC, and its cut scene in the headquarter...the beginning pursuit seems to be the arrival of the agent, as Chase says "you had an quite impressive run", there was alot of talk about that pursuit...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 1:44:11 GMT 1
Darius don't see the player, at least there's no scene so I believe that he just called him cause we only hear him. There's was more than just money, aside it was a bag of money, it was definitely between 100,000 and a million.Darius probably saw that the player could be dangerous for him, he wanted the city for his own and had to takedown the other drivers and make sure the player will be gone, and that everyone hates the player - Nikki threw the bag into the players car, so everyone thought the player took the money and escaped, while the player never had the money. When the player returns to Carbon, you hear what I think is Kenji's voice stating that "things have changed ... territories are controlled by crews ..." . This would imply that crews didn't own territories back in the days of the prequel, it was just racing (for cash in the race that was shown). So it would seem that in the prequel, Darius was planning to use the player as a scapegoat to cover up the theft of the bag of cash. However this would require the player not simply giving up when surrounded by cops, for Nikki to think of trying to get to the players car but only be able to toss in the bag and not make it into the players car, for the guy to knock down Nikki and switch the bags and get away with no one noticing (except Colin, who doesn't say anything about that until the player returns), and for the player through sheer dumb luck to choose to drive towards a car that moves out of the way at the last moment. Then again, to get the storyline to fit the racing game, some plot faults were simply ignored.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 20:46:52 GMT 1
Yeah, it's also in the opening intro, crews didn't exist back then but Darius definitely abused the player for something, to get the money and trust of Nikki and others? He just made sure you'll win, called the cops, let them do their job but let you escape with a bag of paper, which everyone thinks is the money.
Things are like this:
It was a night, alot of audience and then suddenly a band of cops arrives, takes over the area, total chaos...people just wanted to get away and they obviously don't pay attention to anything else.Except Colin, he was ladiback and randomly caught that a guy knocked down nikki and switched the bags.
#1 Nikki would probably give you the money anyways so you could give it to Darius. #2 Darius didn't think about this, he just wanted to make sure bags get switched, the rest was for his advantage. #3 Darius made sure you'll win, paid the cops to not take down your car and let you escape...he knew that Nikki will give you the bag (cause she's your girlfriend) and needed his guy to switch bags before she does.
Colin probably wasn't sure, but after the player's doing business the crew members remembered weird things back then.Also, he was the only one to see it so he probably wasn't sure in the chaos.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 1:51:07 GMT 1
When the player returns to Carbon, you hear what I think is Kenji's voice stating that "things have changed ... territories are controlled by crews ..." . This would imply that crews didn't own territories back in the days of the prequel, it was just racing (for cash in the race that was shown). So it would seem that in the prequel, Darius was planning to use the player as a scapegoat to cover up the theft of the bag of cash. However this would require the player not simply giving up when surrounded by cops, for Nikki to think of trying to get to the players car but only be able to toss in the bag and not make it into the players car, for the guy to knock down Nikki and switch the bags and get away with no one noticing (except Colin, who doesn't say anything about that until the player returns), and for the player through sheer dumb luck to choose to drive towards a car that moves out of the way at the last moment. Then again, to get the storyline to fit the racing game, some plot faults were simply ignored. Crews existed in the past. Since, all Bosses have the same cars from the past. Also, you can see 21st Street logo in Angie car: Anyway, I think more things about that are said in cutscenes, I just need to find a video containing all cutscene with subtitle (or record it by myself)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 8:38:41 GMT 1
^ Now that's inappropriate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 9:17:59 GMT 1
This might refer to that crews did exist, but there was no battle for territories back then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 10:14:38 GMT 1
One thing still confuses me, player left Palmont City (if correct) and he came back with Bmw M3 Gtr, was the best racer in Olympic City and Bayview, blacklist#1 in Rockport, the most wanted street racer in the Country and he still doesn't have that money he owe Nikki?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 12:00:04 GMT 1
One thing still confuses me, player left Palmont City (if correct) and he came back with Bmw M3 Gtr, was the best racer in Olympic City and Bayview, blacklist#1 in Rockport, the most wanted street racer in the Country and he still doesn't have that money he owe Nikki? Yeah, after UG1 we end up with roughly 110k, in ug if we didnt jump aroundfor next cars we could acumulate over 300k, in MW we can finish with almost 1 million. We should go around with giant amounts of cash moneyz
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